this piece starts out with a comment about tish hyman. in the follow up tmz interviews with the gold's gym agp, when asked if he'd use a third unisex space if offered, he hedged and said no there'd have to be mtf and ftm rooms and then tapered off prolly thinking about the nbs. wish someone had pointed out his own hypocritical discomfort at being forced into a 'trans inclusive' space, just as he demands women be now.
I love this! But one historical thing you should be aware of, Amy, is that the best term to use is "suffragists," not "suffragettes." This was something I learned in a presentation about the fight for women's voting rights in the US. the activists called themselves "suffragists," but their opponents coined the term "suffragettes," using the feminine diminutive suffix to mock them.
Karma? How about a false equivalence? Suggest you go over the data and points presented by Sousa about the dangers of men in women's toilets and locker rooms. Perhaps also research, or even simply ask yourself, why feminists may have wanted access to men's locker rooms: Was it, as Sousa's data demonstrate for men (including trans-identifying), to commit voyeurism, expose themselves, reaffirm claims that they were actually men, or to sexually assault men and boys? Doubt it.
Using the word ‘bathroom’ when we actually mean ‘toilet’ is still jarring for me. It has spread from North America to the rest of the world. It’s actually privacy for using a toilet that is the issue for women and girls around the world. Men in changing rooms are still not accessing a ‘bathroom’ as such. Sorry for being pedantic, but historically women have fought for single sex toilets in schools, workplaces, etc. bathroom to me means a room with a bath or shower, or both. We don’t usually need those, we need toilets.😀
Yes, I hear you. And thank you for the comment. I welcome women being "pedantic." Or being however they choose when they are passionate about the cause of women and girls! I appreciate it!
Men don’t necessarily like sharing ‘bathrooms’ with women either, we had an exhibition here about a year ago with unisex toilets and hand washing basins. The men looked quite haunted, as if they couldn’t wait to get away, I think they felt shy as they were so outnumbered by the women. The opposite of the obnoxious trans.
to me (american), "toilet" is the porcelain pedestal itself. bathroom is a much more polite way of speaking about where many toilets reside in a room.
also, many of the bathroom invading tras like to say how they 'just shit and piss and leave like everyone else' in the female bathrooms BUT that is NOT all women do in them.
we ask eech other for tampons, pads and toilet paper. we may wash our panties out in the sink after an accident. some of us may have just lost a wanted pregnancy and saw blood or chunks in the toilet. some may have other abnormal bleeding, postpartum issues, post abortion issues, or other issues dealing with our FEMALE BODIES. women do not 'just shit and piss' in the bathroom, and some times we even need assistance of our fellow females.
women should not be forced into single sex stalls to hide from the gaze of interloper males, when we tradiitonally are more open to each other's female needs in those single sex communal spaces.
Makes me think of the Sandy Peggie trial, Dr. "Beth" Upton was surprised when he heard testimony that Sandy needed to change abruptly because she was having a heavy period. Men, of course, would never consider that women might have a physical need for privacy because of the workings of our female bodies. And he's a freaking doctor!
I get that, we use euphemisms instead of the word ‘toilet’ too. But, if talking about the suffragettes, they wouldn’t have called them ‘bathrooms’, in fact probably used some other euphemism. It felt jarring to me, which undoubtedly shows my age.
I recently joined a gym in Colorado, and asked specifically about men accessing women's spaces. I was told "we very much frown on that." And then I saw the sign at the entrance to women's lockers-- it says that boys over 5 are not allowed. Boom. That takes care of it.
Every chance I get, I remind people that the rights that have been taken from us were already fought for and won. I don't think young girls know this. We need to demand they be restored. Scott Weiner, Barack Obama and Gavin Newsom etc. took our agency away from us. We don't need to grovel and beg for them back, we need to demand they be restored. This is a civil right issue.
What I explain to people is that there are CONSEQUENCES to being born in a female body. Those consequences include male violence and sexual assault, male voyeurism, male exhibitionism, menstruation, pregnancy, miscarriage, postpartum period, lactation, perimenopause, UTIs and STDs that effect women differently than men, and dozens and dozens of gynecological conditions, that men will never have any idea about. For those reasons, women deserve the safety, privacy and dignity of single sex spaces!
Please take some responsibility for yourselves. You are not merely passive victims, but active perpetrators and perpetuators of this patriarchy, with full legal rights and agency, and more power than you seem willing to acknowledge. For the most part, women are leading the fight against women’s rights in this case.
I’m so sick of the men who are hysterical because they feel excluded from female private spaces.Even if they wear skirts and high heels they are still men , and they should stay out of our private spaces.Trans “ women” are fakers …they’re men.
This is brilliant! Amy, thank you so very much for all of the work you're doing on behalf of women and girls! You are truly a heroine of the female sex! I'd also like to add that reading your posts and watching your videos is like a form of therapy for me. I can't tell you the psychological toll that working in an environment that enforces "gender identity" ideology is having on me. From mandatory use of wrong sex pronouns, to having to share restrooms with crossdressing men, to the display of trans/pride flags, banners, stickers etc. everywhere, it all weighs heavily on my psyche.
Hi Amy - just to warn you (and other readers) that when I clicked on the Target Study link it took me to a strange looking page and my antivirus software immediately altered that it was a malware site. I'd love to look at the study, so if you can get the correct link up again that would be fantastic. Thanks for the great work you do!
One thing I would encourage people to do is to google your state's "trans self-ID laws." I did that in answer to some comment on Face Book, and I was shocked. In California, it is ILLEGAL for a gym or any business to prohibit men from randomly accessing women's spaces, as long as the man declares himself "trans." In some states that even means "non-binary." I looked up four states, (CA, MN, NY and CO), and none of them required any kind of documentation for an adult. Some required a doctor's signature on a form for minors, and some required a notarized signature to change the sex on a drivers license.
That's right. In CA, males are allowed in our gyms, spa saunas/steam rooms, rape centers, female prisons, locker rooms, bathrooms.....we have to do trainings at work that say if you question a person's preferred pronouns, that could be harassment. I wrote back to the company that made the trainings and said that 'forcing people to use compelled language is against our 1st amendment'. We need to remind people of our rights, (that are being violated.)
It's completely upside-down! Men going into women's spaces and exposing themselves used to be called "sexual harassment." Now it's called "trans rights." The same is theoretically true for women in man's spaces, I suppose, but if that's happening, there's no reporting on it, or it's very rare. At any rate, men are not complaining, nor are "trans men" reporting adverse encounters in male spaces--or in women's spaces for that matter.
this piece starts out with a comment about tish hyman. in the follow up tmz interviews with the gold's gym agp, when asked if he'd use a third unisex space if offered, he hedged and said no there'd have to be mtf and ftm rooms and then tapered off prolly thinking about the nbs. wish someone had pointed out his own hypocritical discomfort at being forced into a 'trans inclusive' space, just as he demands women be now.
I love this! But one historical thing you should be aware of, Amy, is that the best term to use is "suffragists," not "suffragettes." This was something I learned in a presentation about the fight for women's voting rights in the US. the activists called themselves "suffragists," but their opponents coined the term "suffragettes," using the feminine diminutive suffix to mock them.
Ahhhh…. thank you so much! I appreciate the note!
In the UK, women campaigning for the vote embraced the word suffragette and it's now the commonest descriptor (yes, early opponents used as slur):
https://www.britannica.com/video/difference-suffragist-suffragette/-259238
Interesting. Maybe this is something that over 100 years later it really doesn't matter; that both terms are equally OK for modern audiences.
Karma? How about a false equivalence? Suggest you go over the data and points presented by Sousa about the dangers of men in women's toilets and locker rooms. Perhaps also research, or even simply ask yourself, why feminists may have wanted access to men's locker rooms: Was it, as Sousa's data demonstrate for men (including trans-identifying), to commit voyeurism, expose themselves, reaffirm claims that they were actually men, or to sexually assault men and boys? Doubt it.
Using the word ‘bathroom’ when we actually mean ‘toilet’ is still jarring for me. It has spread from North America to the rest of the world. It’s actually privacy for using a toilet that is the issue for women and girls around the world. Men in changing rooms are still not accessing a ‘bathroom’ as such. Sorry for being pedantic, but historically women have fought for single sex toilets in schools, workplaces, etc. bathroom to me means a room with a bath or shower, or both. We don’t usually need those, we need toilets.😀
Yes, I hear you. And thank you for the comment. I welcome women being "pedantic." Or being however they choose when they are passionate about the cause of women and girls! I appreciate it!
I don't think you want to share bathrooms or showers with men, either.
— from a fellow pedant
Ew. No!
Indeed!
Men don’t necessarily like sharing ‘bathrooms’ with women either, we had an exhibition here about a year ago with unisex toilets and hand washing basins. The men looked quite haunted, as if they couldn’t wait to get away, I think they felt shy as they were so outnumbered by the women. The opposite of the obnoxious trans.
to me (american), "toilet" is the porcelain pedestal itself. bathroom is a much more polite way of speaking about where many toilets reside in a room.
also, many of the bathroom invading tras like to say how they 'just shit and piss and leave like everyone else' in the female bathrooms BUT that is NOT all women do in them.
we ask eech other for tampons, pads and toilet paper. we may wash our panties out in the sink after an accident. some of us may have just lost a wanted pregnancy and saw blood or chunks in the toilet. some may have other abnormal bleeding, postpartum issues, post abortion issues, or other issues dealing with our FEMALE BODIES. women do not 'just shit and piss' in the bathroom, and some times we even need assistance of our fellow females.
women should not be forced into single sex stalls to hide from the gaze of interloper males, when we tradiitonally are more open to each other's female needs in those single sex communal spaces.
Makes me think of the Sandy Peggie trial, Dr. "Beth" Upton was surprised when he heard testimony that Sandy needed to change abruptly because she was having a heavy period. Men, of course, would never consider that women might have a physical need for privacy because of the workings of our female bodies. And he's a freaking doctor!
I get that, we use euphemisms instead of the word ‘toilet’ too. But, if talking about the suffragettes, they wouldn’t have called them ‘bathrooms’, in fact probably used some other euphemism. It felt jarring to me, which undoubtedly shows my age.
The link to the Target study is broken.
Great article: typo noted.
"In many places this change has taken place with no pubic commentary, debate, or due process."
I recently joined a gym in Colorado, and asked specifically about men accessing women's spaces. I was told "we very much frown on that." And then I saw the sign at the entrance to women's lockers-- it says that boys over 5 are not allowed. Boom. That takes care of it.
Is it a privately owned gym? Just curious.
Yes, it is.
Every chance I get, I remind people that the rights that have been taken from us were already fought for and won. I don't think young girls know this. We need to demand they be restored. Scott Weiner, Barack Obama and Gavin Newsom etc. took our agency away from us. We don't need to grovel and beg for them back, we need to demand they be restored. This is a civil right issue.
What I explain to people is that there are CONSEQUENCES to being born in a female body. Those consequences include male violence and sexual assault, male voyeurism, male exhibitionism, menstruation, pregnancy, miscarriage, postpartum period, lactation, perimenopause, UTIs and STDs that effect women differently than men, and dozens and dozens of gynecological conditions, that men will never have any idea about. For those reasons, women deserve the safety, privacy and dignity of single sex spaces!
Great to hear from you, Amy. Thank you for the important historical context.
“Women and girls are told”
By whom??
Other women and girls, mostly.
Please take some responsibility for yourselves. You are not merely passive victims, but active perpetrators and perpetuators of this patriarchy, with full legal rights and agency, and more power than you seem willing to acknowledge. For the most part, women are leading the fight against women’s rights in this case.
Woke women, I might add.
Woke women are now defending males who transgress against us. LOL :-(
I’m so sick of the men who are hysterical because they feel excluded from female private spaces.Even if they wear skirts and high heels they are still men , and they should stay out of our private spaces.Trans “ women” are fakers …they’re men.
This is brilliant! Amy, thank you so very much for all of the work you're doing on behalf of women and girls! You are truly a heroine of the female sex! I'd also like to add that reading your posts and watching your videos is like a form of therapy for me. I can't tell you the psychological toll that working in an environment that enforces "gender identity" ideology is having on me. From mandatory use of wrong sex pronouns, to having to share restrooms with crossdressing men, to the display of trans/pride flags, banners, stickers etc. everywhere, it all weighs heavily on my psyche.
Hi Amy - just to warn you (and other readers) that when I clicked on the Target Study link it took me to a strange looking page and my antivirus software immediately altered that it was a malware site. I'd love to look at the study, so if you can get the correct link up again that would be fantastic. Thanks for the great work you do!
One thing I would encourage people to do is to google your state's "trans self-ID laws." I did that in answer to some comment on Face Book, and I was shocked. In California, it is ILLEGAL for a gym or any business to prohibit men from randomly accessing women's spaces, as long as the man declares himself "trans." In some states that even means "non-binary." I looked up four states, (CA, MN, NY and CO), and none of them required any kind of documentation for an adult. Some required a doctor's signature on a form for minors, and some required a notarized signature to change the sex on a drivers license.
That's right. In CA, males are allowed in our gyms, spa saunas/steam rooms, rape centers, female prisons, locker rooms, bathrooms.....we have to do trainings at work that say if you question a person's preferred pronouns, that could be harassment. I wrote back to the company that made the trainings and said that 'forcing people to use compelled language is against our 1st amendment'. We need to remind people of our rights, (that are being violated.)
It's completely upside-down! Men going into women's spaces and exposing themselves used to be called "sexual harassment." Now it's called "trans rights." The same is theoretically true for women in man's spaces, I suppose, but if that's happening, there's no reporting on it, or it's very rare. At any rate, men are not complaining, nor are "trans men" reporting adverse encounters in male spaces--or in women's spaces for that matter.
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