Love how you always answer so clearly and honestly, yet compassionately, to these!! 🙂❤️ Also, another two points I started thinking of:
1. The standards (almost) always shift. She may seem fairly sane about her wish to do this, mostly grounded in reality, and not all that dissociated, now. But giving in to her pathological urge for self-destruction..? Will very likely further shift her in an unhealthy direction!! Sort of like how, with anorexic people, once they reach a goal weight that they set for themselves, in never ends there. They just set an even LOWER goal weight! Then if they “succeed” at that one, too, an even lower one. Etc. With the end result being extreme emaciation, (sometimes even death), and their minds being increasingly more and more COMPLETELY taken over by their illness. Which.. very similar things seem to happen when people give in to their obsessive urge to try to make themselves look more like the opposite sex!! I’ve seen so many stories of women ONLY wanting their breasts cut off, or ONLY wanting testosterone, for instance. But then once they got that, they started also feeling distressed about their female genitals, and wanting those mutilated to look more like male genitals. Or they started out thinking about themselves as “trans men”, and knowing that their sex was female, to then increasingly dissociating to the point that they now tell themselves they’re really men in some way. Etc. Giving in to this is inherently pathological, it usually escalates over time, and it also seems to me like once people do it, it becomes increasingly difficult for them to turn back, and decide to actually reconcile with themselves, and try to accept reality! Because it is hard to undo dissociation, they have now made all these permanent changes to their bodies, and they are now highly INVESTED in this dysfunctional, harmful path. So.. better to just not go down it in the first place.
2. The loneliness of it!! Sure, you know you’ll never actually be a man, and that is good. But that means you will never truly fit in with men! But also, if you screw up your female body to the extent that these women do..? You will also make it much harder for you to fit in with women, and be part of a female friend group! I’ve seen several cases of women who do this to themselves lamenting the fact that other women become more closed off and less open and trusting around them. Because due to the masculinization, even though the woman’s sex does not change, other women’s instincts still go: “this person is not safe to be fully open and vulnerable around!!” Which can be heartbreaking, and I have seen several of these women grieve the loss of sisterhood. Plus not getting to share in on men’s sense of brotherhood, either, as they are NOT men, they have had completely different life experiences, and they also resent the misogyny of so many men. Which sounds to me like a really lonely and difficult place to be!! (Also, I don’t know this woman’s sexuality. But if she is a lesbian, there will also be the added pain of no longer fully fitting in amongst other lesbians. Plus also, making herself unattractive to her primary potential sexual partners, that are into WOMEN who fully look like WOMEN.) I guess there is always the community of other women who ALSO pretend to be men, but that community is rather small. And it is also an inherently very defective community, that glorifies mental illness, denial, delusion, dissociation, self-loathing, and COMPLETELY detaching from reality, in ways this woman so far hasn’t done. Basically, it will encourage her to even FURTHER dissociate, and become even MORE mentally ill, to fit in! In addition to all of the accumulating physical harm she would already be subjecting herself to.
You know nothing of what you speak. Let people live their lives & you live yours as you see fit. If your gender & sex organs match up congratulations. Your words do more harm than good. Ask yourself, what is the purpose of all this vitriol you spew? Don't you have anything better to do with your life? Seriously pathetic.
Love how you always answer so clearly and honestly, yet compassionately, to these!! 🙂❤️ Also, another two points I started thinking of:
1. The standards (almost) always shift. She may seem fairly sane about her wish to do this, mostly grounded in reality, and not all that dissociated, now. But giving in to her pathological urge for self-destruction..? Will very likely further shift her in an unhealthy direction!! Sort of like how, with anorexic people, once they reach a goal weight that they set for themselves, in never ends there. They just set an even LOWER goal weight! Then if they “succeed” at that one, too, an even lower one. Etc. With the end result being extreme emaciation, (sometimes even death), and their minds being increasingly more and more COMPLETELY taken over by their illness. Which.. very similar things seem to happen when people give in to their obsessive urge to try to make themselves look more like the opposite sex!! I’ve seen so many stories of women ONLY wanting their breasts cut off, or ONLY wanting testosterone, for instance. But then once they got that, they started also feeling distressed about their female genitals, and wanting those mutilated to look more like male genitals. Or they started out thinking about themselves as “trans men”, and knowing that their sex was female, to then increasingly dissociating to the point that they now tell themselves they’re really men in some way. Etc. Giving in to this is inherently pathological, it usually escalates over time, and it also seems to me like once people do it, it becomes increasingly difficult for them to turn back, and decide to actually reconcile with themselves, and try to accept reality! Because it is hard to undo dissociation, they have now made all these permanent changes to their bodies, and they are now highly INVESTED in this dysfunctional, harmful path. So.. better to just not go down it in the first place.
2. The loneliness of it!! Sure, you know you’ll never actually be a man, and that is good. But that means you will never truly fit in with men! But also, if you screw up your female body to the extent that these women do..? You will also make it much harder for you to fit in with women, and be part of a female friend group! I’ve seen several cases of women who do this to themselves lamenting the fact that other women become more closed off and less open and trusting around them. Because due to the masculinization, even though the woman’s sex does not change, other women’s instincts still go: “this person is not safe to be fully open and vulnerable around!!” Which can be heartbreaking, and I have seen several of these women grieve the loss of sisterhood. Plus not getting to share in on men’s sense of brotherhood, either, as they are NOT men, they have had completely different life experiences, and they also resent the misogyny of so many men. Which sounds to me like a really lonely and difficult place to be!! (Also, I don’t know this woman’s sexuality. But if she is a lesbian, there will also be the added pain of no longer fully fitting in amongst other lesbians. Plus also, making herself unattractive to her primary potential sexual partners, that are into WOMEN who fully look like WOMEN.) I guess there is always the community of other women who ALSO pretend to be men, but that community is rather small. And it is also an inherently very defective community, that glorifies mental illness, denial, delusion, dissociation, self-loathing, and COMPLETELY detaching from reality, in ways this woman so far hasn’t done. Basically, it will encourage her to even FURTHER dissociate, and become even MORE mentally ill, to fit in! In addition to all of the accumulating physical harm she would already be subjecting herself to.
I really hope she doesn’t do it. ❤️
You know nothing of what you speak. Let people live their lives & you live yours as you see fit. If your gender & sex organs match up congratulations. Your words do more harm than good. Ask yourself, what is the purpose of all this vitriol you spew? Don't you have anything better to do with your life? Seriously pathetic.